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Creating Content with Others [Guest: TheWizGamma]

• Jermaine Pulliam • Season 1 • Episode 29

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In this episode of Uploaded Unfiltered, Jermaine chats with Wiz Gamma, exploring her journey from potential beauty influencer to a beloved figure in the gaming community. The podcast delves into the magnetic pull of authenticity and humor in content creation, highlighting Gamma's evolution as a gamer and the impact of a robust personality over gaming skills. The discussion spans panel discussions, gaming streams, and the unpredictable theater of live streaming, addressing the challenges of content creation and the growth from unpolished expression. Wiz Gamma and Jermaine share wisdom, offer a sneak peek into Gamma's Goods, and emphasize the importance of chasing passion over applause. 

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Speaker 1:

Welcome. Welcome back to another episode of Uploaded Unfiltered, the podcast in which I, your host Jermaine, interviews another content creator in regards to their journey thus far. Tonight, as always, I have a special guest. I'm going to go ahead and read her bio, introduce her and get her started on this conversation. But Wiz Gamma is an elementary school teacher by day and a streamer-slash gamer by night. She enjoys entertaining and creating events for people to enjoy Alongside gaming. She is focusing on her art and will open her Gamma's Goods business very soon. Gamma is a straight shooter who rarely beats around the bush, but does so always out of love, and with that I'd like to introduce my guest for the evening, the one, the only, gamma.

Speaker 2:

I'm doing well. How are you?

Speaker 1:

I am doing great. I want to say this y'all don't know, but this is early recording for me. I like this. I'm going to start making people do this time more often. This is great.

Speaker 2:

It's a great time Like no one's sleepy, but also. I had time to recover from the workday, so it's like yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

You can't even tell you where it works, so that's awesome. So, wiz, we're going to go ahead and start this podcast, like I always do, by asking you what is the origin story of your content creation journey so far? How did you start?

Speaker 2:

Okay so if we're going to start at the beginning, we have to go way back. Okay, so before I was even gaming, I was trying to break into the beauty industry. Okay so I was originally Shaw the Wiz, right, and that was my beauty makeup page is actually still up. I never deleted it and I made YouTube videos about beauty and stuff like that and then realized really quickly that I knew nothing about beauty and I didn't really care about it. I was dead winging it as I went. But like it wasn't even that, like doing makeup was fun. I think what took me out of it was everybody else in that industry space. God, they were just so I don't even know how to describe it. They were just like so superficial and it was way more like follow for follow and I'll only promote you if you promote me.

Speaker 2:

And it didn't feel like I was making any genuine connections.

Speaker 1:

And then just did it for fun. That makes sense yeah.

Speaker 2:

But like after that I was like what do I actually like? And I was just like why I love games, like I actually love gaming and I never tap into that. So I was like you know what Kind of funny. Maybe I'm not the funniest person in the world, but I'm kind of funny. I was like maybe I'll do gaming content and focus it, not on me being the best at anything, not on me, like you know, being technical or finding achievements. It's just going to be entertaining. I'm just going to be yelling right, you know, like dashy, oh my God, dashy.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and Corey Kennedy, for that matter, yes, both of them. They're going to be on the show. I'm saying it now.

Speaker 2:

Oh, absolutely. And if you don't have them on the show, it's a crime.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's going to happen? God damn. But yeah, okay, I understand the. I understand the background. Now. Dashy is a loud motherfucker Like, but he's hilarious.

Speaker 2:

I watched him and I would be like, oh my God, Like I was like I really love his energy and I love that he didn't have to be especially good at anything, and I was just like his commentary and how he reacted. Yes, so I was like I could do that. Like people say that I'm like funny sometimes and even if you don't think I'm funny not everybody finds Dashy funny- Exactly, you know right. So that's how I started.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that is awesome. I didn't know about the beauty. I'm always learning new things about my streamer friends. This podcast is only for me. I'm super like I'm going to ask you now. Now, I'm going to ask you where did the new name come from? Like, so you were. What was it? Sway?

Speaker 2:

The Wiz.

Speaker 1:

Shaw, the Wiz I'm looking at up later. So what Right? I've been like, wow, you really used to say fuck this shit, Right? So the Wiz gamma, where did I kind of I kind of guess, but go ahead.

Speaker 2:

So Wiz was always like part of my name since high school. That's why I was like Shaw the Wiz and I went to Wiz gamma, because I was always the Wiz. I don't know why they call me Wiz. I wasn't smart. I don't know where Wiz came from.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

But that was my nickname in high school and even on my senior sweater it says like wizard 3.0. Like I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Okay, it just stuck.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so I was like all right, I like Wiz, so, and you know, my first name starts with a S-H-A, so I was Shaw the Wiz and I thought it would be a wizard in makeup. And then when I went into gaming I was like, okay, what's a cool name I could call myself? And then I was like I'm going to keep the Wiz because I don't know why that just it's just sentimental to me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, keep it yeah.

Speaker 2:

But then I was going to put the Wiz gamer and I was like ew, that sounds like ew you know, I agree, I agree. Doesn't that sound like you're trying Hello hard Like the Wiz gamer Too much?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2:

It's like oh you're, you're a wizard gaming. What a shock, right. But like I was, like I'm not a wizard gaming, so like I need to change this up. And at this time, that's when I started becoming a science teacher and I really was into science. So I was like, instead of gamer. What if I said gamma like gamma rays?

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

So I put it all together and it became the Wiz gamma, which is that is that's dope.

Speaker 1:

I like that. I didn't know. The gamma is science inspired, but it's even better. I like that.

Speaker 2:

That's my shit. Yeah, I'm a science teacher I had to represent I don't know. I really wanted my name to represent me, like the Wiz came from, like high school days and yeah. I wanted it to be like science based and. I just wanted it to feel like authentically.

Speaker 1:

Right, you nailed it Like good job. Most people struggle with their name. You knocked that out the park.

Speaker 2:

And I love that people call me like Wiz, or some people call me gamma. It's just nice, like it's to break it down, you know.

Speaker 1:

I am my podcast survey that I sit now to all my guests. I ask them what they want to be called. You was like. You can call me Wiz, you can call me gamma, I don't care.

Speaker 2:

I was like all right, because it don't matter either way, it's all part of me, so it's like you know what it is Right.

Speaker 1:

All right Now that we got your origin of your name out the way, your origin of your content creation journey, how is the current mindset in regards to what you're producing now, what you want to do going forward? What's that look like for you?

Speaker 2:

It's like gosh. It's difficult to answer that question because what I really want like if I could have my content in a perfect world how I want it it would all be group based, like games, in which I like do a bunch of like game shows and have people come and, like you know, do their thing and they can win prizes and stuff. I really enjoy content like that because, like you know, many competition shows like I've done so many of them so far by myself and with like crew, like we did this I did the circle with crew and I was based on the Netflix circle. That was really, really hard.

Speaker 1:

Yes, too far. Right, it's your fault that I'm addicted to that show, really. Yeah, so I was. I was on the first season I'm gonna go ahead and to my own horn and I didn't know what the circle was and I was like, let me look this up. So me, my wife, watched the first first season and then we just been watched the rest of it because it's so it's too good.

Speaker 2:

It's a good show. I'm so glad, and yes, I'm glad you shouted yourself I would be on circle Come on yeah. But I'm so glad and we got to do another one. I got to ask, you know, you already know Cruz like a creative mind. She has her own, like bevy of shows going on yeah. So sometimes we could connect on that, sometimes we can't. But, like I, you know personally, what I did was squid games, squid games.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's ridiculous. What? What is the planning look like for setting that all up?

Speaker 2:

It's crazy. Literally I have a Google like Drive folder just dedicated to squid game games like and. Because squid games is based off like childhood games, I really start there.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

And it's just like hey, if, if it's a childhood game in which I can make it like, competitive, like, or that you have to be the fastest, or you have to be smartest, or you have to be, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

That's how that planning looks. So I literally have a doctor. Show you later.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

It's just a document of different things and it's always really fun because it challenges me to create like new games every season. Yeah, if I'm like full disclosure, I plan on doing a squid games three this summer Hell yeah, right. You know you invited. That's not even.

Speaker 1:

Thank you. This is the only way I'm going to do squid games. I'm not doing the real, I'm doing this. Yeah, I watched that too, unfortunately, no, thank you.

Speaker 2:

No, thank you, I'm not doing that. Like we'll do our little, cute little situation on Twitch and calling it. But yeah, like that, that planning is really, really fun and like, yeah, like I said, it challenges me to like be more creative every single time up the stakes, up the ante. You know what I mean. So like, yeah, I did that. You know I do my panels, I do what gamers think that I love, because it's just, it's so simple to like create a list of topics throughout the week. I see something interesting. I'm like, oh, noted, because that's going to be on the panel.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

You know what I mean and it's really it's really fun. But like it's interesting to hear my friends like ideas about things and see what they agree on or what.

Speaker 1:

Not because we don't agree actually. Exactly, and it's rare that we get in a form like that and actually talk to each other about different topics. It's usually how did you day go? Or complaining about some other bullshit, but having a topic for everybody to talk about, like that's huge Right. I love that yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then and I feel like some, for some people, that's probably the only time they really talk about like issues, because I bring up small issues like within the gaming community and stuff, but then like right, huge things like we talk about, like we literally just talked about Well, is it like Michael Jackson and Drake? You know how Drake was one away from Michael Jackson as far as, yeah, and people are trying to be like is Drake comparable to? And that was like a? That was a debate.

Speaker 1:

Is there a VOD for that? Because I see that one.

Speaker 2:

Oh my gosh, I wish it was. I need to start saving my vods. Unfortunately, I did not save that one. I'm going to save this, because that sounds like gold.

Speaker 1:

There's only one right. I'm not even going to do this. I'm not even going to say it. It's just one right answer like no, no what the whole chest. Like I don't give a fuck how many I don't care. I don't care, it's not. You know 100 and I don't give 100 more than my.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1:

That's a whole. You can't do that. Anyways that I didn't see that, because I would have had it.

Speaker 2:

You would, I had it, I had it and you know me, I'm the whole. So I got to try to keep car. Yeah, I was like not, we're not doing this.

Speaker 1:

We are not those people, sorry.

Speaker 2:

We will put respect on mj's Exactly.

Speaker 1:

We're not doing this for cloud Like this is live. This Come on now. Oh God, it was like right, it was actually.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, it's always something that we get to talk about. The panels are really really fun and sometimes they get a little heavy, you know, talking about, like you know, even heavier topics and I don't know. It's a really good time to talk about different things and not harbor and resentment for anybody because of their opinion, you know. So that's, that's the goal there. Let's see what else. Of course, I do my regular gaming where I'm just cool, I'm just I call, I say that I have crackhead energy all the time when I'm like yep, oh, my call of duty.

Speaker 1:

I do not understand. I'm like you was talking. Oh, it's just like you do shit that I would never. I'm like I'll be in a party. I'm hanging out like let somebody say some dumb shit to you in the game.

Speaker 2:

Right, I purposely want to make people mad. It's actually like ridiculous how I will change my voice. I'll be a child, I'll be me, I'll be. I'll be Skyler, which is a surfer, right dude, my, like, I have so many different personas. That is actually stupid. But like I want to get reactions out of people, yes, the reactions are hilarious.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. I've been watching this and I don't know If you don't cut up your clips. I've been watching this one dude he all he does is voices. He changes his voice when he sounds like a kid and he just goes off and plus he's good, so like he's talking mad shit, but he's like winning and I'm like why? Am I so enthralled with this. This is so dumb, but it works and it's hilarious. So, yeah, keep that, keep that up.

Speaker 2:

I need to. That's something I need to work with. As far as my content is like getting clips and like putting them out there. Here's. I'm so good with like starting the stream. I'm so good with the personas and I'm so good with, like you know, say things to get people mad and rile and well. But as soon as I turn it off and I get the clips and I put them in an editor, I'm just like how do I, how do I make this entertainment? Well, anybody find this entertainment was funny in the moment.

Speaker 2:

Got you you know what I mean. I feel, you when you like, out of content in a clip and like how do I edit the clip? How do they do the little shit Like I always second guess myself and make it way more intense in my head and then yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah not doing it, which is got my problem Honestly right.

Speaker 1:

Well, now we know. So, knock that shit out, Right no?

Speaker 2:

you're right, Like it honestly needs to be like. Even if it's not perfect, this little perfectionist in me keeps trying.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Even if it's not perfect. I just need to just like say fuck it whatever. Like you know what?

Speaker 1:

Yes, I like, I promise you I'm the same way. I, ok, I used to be the same way. Once you put out that one clip that you think is garbage and you see everything is wrong with it, and even if it doesn't do numbers, you put it out. You wait three days. You're like, oh, I'm not, nothing happened, like it's out there, people ain't telling me to fuck off, never make content again, like none of that shit's happening, right. And then that was like I did that three or four times and I was like all right. But like All this, you know, you know how, when you make content, you watch back at your clip and you're like, oh shit, there's something in my face or my hair is this way, or you can see my gut.

Speaker 2:

Like dumb shit like that Right Right.

Speaker 1:

Some of those. I just let flowers, you know what? No, put it up, let's see what happens. It's like oh yeah, I'm still alive. Body, we're good You're not dying Relax.

Speaker 2:

Right, it's like you, it's like you got it. You can't wait for perfection, for everything to happen, and I know that, I know that in my head, but yet when I'm in the middle of it, it's like I can't fight it. But you're right, it's like I just need to like put it out there whatever, it's not perfect, whatever.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's going to be dope. Like man, I can't wait to Gamma's TikTok blow up.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I need to go out for TikTok together. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

So, before we get off of a current mindset, you mentioned Gamma's goods at the beginning of all night to begin. I mentioned it in your bio, but you know what? I'm saying yeah, do you what? Can you speak on that a little bit? What exactly is that?

Speaker 2:

So, like I am also like an artist, right, and I definitely have not focused on my art in any of the things that I do Right Now, I'm kind of tapping back into it.

Speaker 1:

OK.

Speaker 2:

And I'm starting a business where I sell my art in various farms. Right now it's going to be stickers and prints and then later on is going to be like key chains and stuff, like it's all going to be very cutesy, very digestible, like things that people can buy for my shop, gamma's goods. I got the domain name.

Speaker 1:

So that's a good.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I got the domain name and I got. I have an Instagram account that I have not started promoting yet because I wanted to wait till all the things that I wanted to sell was like ready to sell.

Speaker 1:

For sure.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, that's going to be the start of Gamma's goods and I plan on, like, finishing everything I need to finish by early February and launch around that time.

Speaker 1:

So I bet hey, oh, yeah, well, look out for that.

Speaker 2:

That's dope.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, man people, everybody's just doing leveling up this year. I love it.

Speaker 2:

Try it because 2023. I'm not going to lie to you, friend. It was not kind to me personally.

Speaker 1:

I hear you, I hear you.

Speaker 2:

It was. It kicked my ass in all the right ways in this, just like it, and honestly. Honestly, I'm a wait, I'm a, I'm a way to tell, like tell you everything in detail.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

But I just got to tell you 2023, like whoop me completely.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. I was like I was a child and I didn't take out the chicken with my mama, my mama told me to take it out If you can't do it on the freezer and you just look at silly like oh, it was going down. I guess not much. I mean more. Right, that's hilarious. All right, gamma, let's get into it. Lessons learned what lesson have you specifically learned? Because you started creating content that you either took into real life or you just use throughout your content journey.

Speaker 2:

So what's funny is that, like in creating content, it was less learned about the content, more learned about people. Wow, forming relationships online is way more difficult than I thought. Yeah, and you think everybody fucks with you. Like for me personally, if I have a good relationship with you, if I've talked to you before, in my mind we fuck with each other. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

And I had situations recently this is part of my fucked up 2023, where people's real thoughts and feelings about me came out, you know.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

And it was unexpected. It was like shocking how like people viewed me like in an online space.

Speaker 1:

And.

Speaker 2:

I was like, wow, and when I talked to my friends like IRL, in real life, I was like, do y'all see me like this? And they were like no, not like that. And so I was like, okay, so maybe my persona, how I'm coming off as being misconstrued and like relationships and things that you know I thought were strong are actually not, and I didn't realize that until the moment I realized it.

Speaker 2:

So it was more of not giving people so much access to me because it's online, but also balancing like oh, but I need people for content, like especially the content I want to do as far as like game shows and stuff. So it's like a balance of trying to figure out like how do I continue these relationships without getting like hurt?

Speaker 1:

You know what I mean.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and not like feeling like I care about these people more than they care about me, because maybe to them I'm a pixel on the screen, but to me, you know, I'm like, oh, that's my good friend. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

And I feel the same way. Which is crazy, and so that's my biggest takeaway is the actual content creators relationship hard Right.

Speaker 1:

I feel like you're not the first person to say that on the podcast. I definitely felt that throughout the years of making content and it is a specific balance of some people see it as work and this is work and we link up to do a stream and once we get off, that's it.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

So it's hard to like. I've gotten to the point where, like my circle is tight and even within the last couple of months, like I had to tighten it up because if you're not the same like wavelength that I am, and like you're not pushing towards the same shit I am, or if you're discouraging on that route, and then I got to get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2:

I agree with that.

Speaker 1:

Like I don't know. I like that is definitely something you can learn, like in a business school or if you're working in a corporate job, but it is definitely some of you learn. If you're really into this, you learn quick content because we, like I feel like content is part us, like part of your content is you pouring yourself out there and putting yourself out there and being vulnerable, and so you do that when you start making these relationships and you're like, oh, hold up, you ain't like that, that's crazy.

Speaker 2:

It is crazy and me I'm just like I'm such an open book, like I wear my heart on my sleeve when I meet people. I genuinely like, feel like the people that I interact with and stuff are my friends and I really need to pull back on that like friend word when it comes to certain people, cause some people are like strictly interacting with you for their own gain and I didn't think that was a thing. I'm not a big streamer, so why the why are you talking?

Speaker 2:

about me for gain, but they see where you are versus where they're at and you're a stepping stone.

Speaker 1:

Exactly.

Speaker 2:

You know what I mean, and so that's why I was. So I see that and I'm like, damn so, people might not actually fuck with me, but they fuck with my potential and they fuck with who I am as a person and they can see that my personality and how I operate could get me far. So therefore, they want to be in my social circle and they still want to fuck with me, right, but like I'm trying to weed out who exactly those types of people are, versus like who actually is just like yo. Let's create some content together, because we're you know, we're content creators.

Speaker 1:

You know what I mean Exactly. You're cool.

Speaker 2:

It's, by the way, you're the, you're the friend. That's like A. Let's create some content together because it's cool and like you know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

Like let's just pull up, do something real quick. And that's what I tell everybody I interact with. I'm like A I might not be in your discord all the time and I, if I'm in your stream, I'm probably lurking, but, like, if you got an idea and you got me in mind, hit me to fuck up. Like I, unless we don't fuck with each other, I'm saying yes, like the only way I don't is like if I got something scheduled, but yeah, I'm down to do damn anything and, luckily, shout out to my wife like she knows and she's encouraging of that. She's like oh, you got something to do at eight, let me remind you, or I'll make sure to reach out to my wife and all that stuff. So, yeah, like, part of being like doing this is the support system, and I can say mine is top notch.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. I love that for you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's A. It's been a blessing Good. I cannot deny that.

Speaker 2:

So absolutely.

Speaker 1:

But that's that's huge. I love that, that lessons learned, because, again, the more people hear it, I think, the more they wake up to it, like that's not going to happen in my friends of like it could. It could.

Speaker 2:

And that's the thing like people see, like my group like the only fans and stuff, and they think like, oh, you guys are so tight and impenetrable and it's like low key though no, you know what I mean. If you do the group of friends, and you was in the midst of everything that's been going on. You would know that we are as fragile as any other group.

Speaker 1:

And I feel like that's like a lot of groups that get that big.

Speaker 2:

That just happens. It just happens yeah.

Speaker 1:

That's wild. Exclusive no, it's fine.

Speaker 2:

Exclusive. I know right, I put that shit out there. Yeah, you heard it. Let me shut up for you. I'm crying. What Like, what? Nothing, man.

Speaker 1:

I said what I said though I mean, it's true, you know I was going to say the one the quickest way, hardest way, but quickest way to start weeding food was out, is having that conversation with them and just seeing how they respond, because my boy I might I feel like I shout this motherfucker out every podcast.

Speaker 1:

But bossy versus that's my dude and I know he is our weird line, like almost perfectly. Like he knows what I'm thinking when I'm pissed or upset. Same vice versa. I know when he's on his bullshitting about to say something, he's going to get his cancel all that and so when we stream we just click off each other and like I know I trust that dude. But we had that conversation, like because we both went through some shit in the past and I'm like yo, this went down and I like it and this is how I feel about it. He tells me his am I right? We ain't doing that shit.

Speaker 2:

Right, and and it's so beautiful that you could have that conversation Because, like I put in my bio that like that I'm a straight shooter, right, and I feel like I or at least I thought that that was always like a great thing, that like you're not passive, aggressive, you're not putting things on the table, like you put things out and tell it how you feel, right, right. Not everybody actually likes that, for my shock and chagrin, people don't actually love that you are a straight shooter and then you, instead of a straight shooter, it'll be turned into maybe aggressive, maybe, like you know, whatever the case may be, yeah.

Speaker 2:

I'm just not the type of person Let shit seep and sink and like have an issue with you but then like secretly not tell you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's weird, to me that's weird.

Speaker 2:

However, it's also not. People also don't like to be confronted or pointed out. I've learned that.

Speaker 1:

Yes, very, yep, mm hmm.

Speaker 2:

So it is. It is hard All that to say that it is so difficult. Especially we talk about other humans, whether they create content or not. That dynamic will always be present.

Speaker 1:

Yes, agreed.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

But you know I'm going to leave this on a sunny, pretty note, the way you do find those ones that are dope they like rock with you and you're on the same wavelength and it's, it's good, it's great.

Speaker 1:

The content just happens. So they are out there. So I like your lessons learned. I'm going to go ahead and move to the next, next section. This is the words of advice. Who, not who? If you can give advice to anyone, who would it be? Would it be a new content creator or somebody has been doing it for a while? And what would you tell that person?

Speaker 2:

Oh, if it was like a new person, I think advice I would give them is to really do this because you like to do it and not because you're trying to be a financial goal or not because you try. You're trying to make this your full time job. It's like, honestly, do this because it's dope and you wouldn't make connections, because if you do it for any other reason, if it's to get followers, if it's to get faith, you're going to be so miserable and and I know that's like generic advice I feel like everybody says that, but like, if you don't get that though, like you will be miserable, like yes you're going to have to go through times where your shit is not making any numbers and you're going to have to be content and keep going.

Speaker 2:

You know what I mean, so right. That is like a huge thing. I have a friend. I'm not, I'm not going to shout, I'm not going to embarrass you.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

But anytime I talk to and I mean anytime he's like yeah, hey, I'm streaming on touch and I just I got five viewers, I got five views. Well, come and make it six. Come and make it six. And, like, he's always talking about his followers.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

He's like listen, I've been streaming every day. I only got five viewers. I don't know what it is and it's just like it's, because that's what you focus on. You're not focused on your content, you're not focused on making it better, you're not focused on being entertainment. You're not focused on your niche. You focus in on the followers and viewers. You be quieting your stream. You don't be saying shit. You don't got no redemptions. You ain't got no nothing for people to interact with. Like. I know it sounds like I'm going in, but like, but that's what it is. It is what it is. He's not trying to hear that, though. He's not trying to hear that, uh-oh.

Speaker 1:

That, like that list that you just rattled off is basic. Do that? Do that shit. Like have a bio, have set up like a channel point to just ask a question. Do something that motherfuckers can push a button and make them feel like they're part of your stream, like that's honestly, and talk that thing right. You got to learn how to talk to yourself Like just do that.

Speaker 2:

Like you just have to look like a maniac and, like the YouTubers, do it all the time. Right, they're just in the middle of a video just talking to themselves Cause they feel like, okay, people will eventually watch this. I think that's what you got to do with streaming.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

People will eventually come. Even if they don't fuck it, I'll make a list.

Speaker 1:

Like, you know what I mean, and the more, like you said, the more you focus on that number, especially while you're streaming.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

That shit is just going to upset you if it doesn't move.

Speaker 2:

I no longer look at how many viewers I have. Like I check it, maybe like once a stream, like just to get like a temperature, but for the most part. I don't look at it because it's just like if it's low it's going to discourage me, if it's high, that's even. That's also pressure Cause. I'm like, oh shit, a lot of people watching, let me turn it up, exactly.

Speaker 2:

When it's too like right, it should always be in the middle, like, okay, I'm doing like. I'm doing it by thank people watch me authentically Like I don't got too much or too little. You know what I mean. Right right.

Speaker 1:

That's a, that's where I've gotten with it, like I used to be a number watcher, but especially now I'm like all right, this is what I'm going live, this is what I'm doing, and once I'm done, I'm done, and I just don't look at the count and you can tell, like even if you have, honestly, if you have, 50 people in your stream and only three people are talking like that's like, that's it, like those three people are the ones you're interacting with. It doesn't matter about that other 47.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, thanks for the lurks, but, like you got to whoever is interacting and being direct with you. That's who you need to focus on Exactly.

Speaker 1:

Exactly Agreed. So that's cut and dry, Like I know, like you said, it's like Warren advice, but I feel like number one is that, like what's your reason? And if it's, if you know you're getting in this of follow numbers, no, then you're going to have a bad time.

Speaker 2:

You're going to have a bad time and, honestly, you have to network. Networking is hard, especially when you find your little friend group and you get comfortable reaching out to other people seems scary In the beginning. It wasn't scary for me, I just reached out to anybody. I've been like, hey, I've seen YouTube videos like what's up? That's how I met two people in the OnlyFans, dj and JAH.

Speaker 1:

Oh, JAH, that's how I met them.

Speaker 2:

I literally just like for all them creative. I was like they black, what's up, how are you Blah?

Speaker 1:

blah, blah.

Speaker 2:

I see creative content you're dope. Let's be friends and stuff. That's how I came. I didn't do no follow for follow, I was just like do I?

Speaker 1:

That's crazy, that works.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it works, it works.

Speaker 1:

I mean obviously, yeah right.

Speaker 2:

No, but it's all about the way you did it. It's the way in which I came to them. I didn't do like hey, follow me and I'll follow you. It was like let's be friends authentically. And I meant that, I meant let's actually be friends, and if you ever have a YouTube video that you need people on, I'm here. And we collaborated. Gosh, when was that video? I could tell you right now because I got my YouTube channel open. We collaborated on a video and it was like years ago.

Speaker 1:

That's wild.

Speaker 2:

Right, Literally. We've known each other at this point from me reaching out to them for at least three years.

Speaker 1:

That's awesome Right.

Speaker 2:

Let me see when. This is OK here. It is right here. Three years ago, we played Resident Evil Resistance. Remember when that was a thing? Yeah, it was me, dj Jai, and our friend Nell, who also makes YouTube videos now she found her new shit, anime yeah. So three years ago I reached out to them collabed, and we're still friends to this day.

Speaker 1:

That's dope. See, it's possible, it really is. That's crazy. Yeah, I don't know how I met my streamer. Like honestly, I was trying to think about like how did I meet Boss Probably through a stream Boss, my homie Vox, like he came to one of my streams. It was just like only person in the stream talking hey, this game looks creepy. It is creepy. I freak out. He was freaking out. I'm like, oh, we friends now, aw Love that. It's like again when that shit happens. It's great, feels great.

Speaker 2:

And then you have people in your community who are genuinely interested in you and genuinely want to know you, right? Yes, and when you guys develop that sort of relationship, it's done Like you know what I mean. We're all good friends. Now we're like this son. I have people who like that that I'm less like. Nah fuck with this person.

Speaker 1:

So they don't really like that. That's crazy, and if you would ask me just like 10 years ago, I'd be like nah, you can't make people on internet. That shit's weird, absolutely. And now like as my wife. I wonder if she remembers how like against online dating I want, oh wow, you can't beat motherfuckers on the internet. I feel bad my bad, my bad, I was talking old man shit.

Speaker 2:

But you wasn't lying, because I think back in the day it was a little harder.

Speaker 1:

You know what I mean. You know what I'm going to say yes to that, and so I can have a little piece of rightness.

Speaker 2:

Right? Well, because now it's easy to fact check. You know if you were Instagram detective like wah, you can find out if somebody's here.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, that is true, yeah.

Speaker 2:

You need catfish on them and figure it out.

Speaker 1:

Oh wow. You said you didn't have any kids. What's this motherfucker?

Speaker 2:

Right, oh, ok, found you.

Speaker 1:

See. Ok, maybe it's a little harder for those fakeies out there to do their shit now. All right, that makes sense. That makes sense. All right, gamma. Well, we have reached the end of the podcast and I'm going to ask you the question I've asked everyone, because we need to get better about shouting out our own content. Where can the people find your content? Where do you want them to see your wares and all that fun stuff?

Speaker 2:

Well, I do be streaming on Twitch. Like I said, I'm the WizGamma on Twitch. I'm also the WizGamma on YouTube. Do I be uploading YouTube videos like that? Mind your business, but I do plan on. I have been good about at least uploading reels.

Speaker 1:

All right then.

Speaker 2:

That's the thing I've been doing, so I'm getting back into that. So find me on YouTube at the WizGamma, find me on TikTok at the WizGamma. That is also a bag that I'm diving back into, and if you want to see my art and see the things that I create and I draw, you can go to Gamma's Goods, and very soon there will be content on there as well.

Speaker 1:

Yes, also should be selling stuff, so buy some stickers and whatnot.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, buy some stickers or whatever.

Speaker 1:

All right dope. Well, if you know anyone out there who is a creator, or even is not a creator and loves to hear conversations between two creators, you should share this podcast with them, uploaded and unfiltered. I'm on your podcast, catcher of Choice. I've made sure of that. Leave me a review, let me know how we doing. And yeah, that's it, I guess. Share it. Share that shit Something.

Speaker 2:

Gamma.

Speaker 1:

Gamma. Thank you, this was super fun. I hope you enjoyed yourself.

Speaker 2:

I loved it. It was so. It was so great. It's therapeutic to talk about all this shit. That's what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, all this is staying in. Yeah, you heard that. Damn it, I don't know who I'm talking to.

Speaker 2:

Whoever is listening got it yeah.

Speaker 1:

Anyways, you know, as always, protect your mental, keep creating content, and I will talk to y'all in the next one. Peace.