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The Value of Collaboration [Guest:Mack of all Games]

• Jermaine Pulliam • Season 1 • Episode 58

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How does a childhood passion for entertainment transform into a successful career in content creation? Join us as we chat with Mack of all Games, a variety content creator known for his chaotic yet wholesome style. In this episode, Mack takes us on a rollercoaster ride through his journey, sharing how he overcame financial hardships and found joy and motivation in entertaining others. He highlights the importance of community support, showing us that even amidst daily frustrations, a strong connection with your audience can keep the passion alive.

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Speaker 1:

this is the one of the craziest intros I ever had. First and foremost, I'm going to introduce my guest for the show mac of all games, welcome to the podcast. Thank you for uh putting up with this no problem, stuff happens, I don't know man it's like I was streaming and all of a sudden my mic was like are we live? Go ahead and mute yourself. Go ahead and do that, and here we are.

Speaker 2:

Yeah yeah, I thought like I said, I was like okay, all right well, this is what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1:

I am going to, I'm gonna just go ahead without messing up. I'm gonna read your bio. Let's see if we can do it. This is practice. Got it VO practice. Alright, here it is. The Mac of all games, formerly known as Virid Joker, is a variety content creator who entertains through Twitch streams, youtube gameplay and more. The master of none. So don't expect award-winning gameplay, but do expect to be thoroughly entertained. Known for his wholesome yet chaotic style, he focuses on self-improvement, entertaining his community and collaborating with great creators, striving to bring y'all happiness with his Big Mac morning streams or Mac After Dark sessions, which he promises is not a paid service on OnlyFans. Look forward to the mayhem every week and stop trying to get him to twerk on stream. Shout out to Kryptonite for the opportunity and the listeners out there who cared to hear from the former toxic king of 2022. His message to everyone is give yourself grace because every step, no matter where you start, will bring you closer to your goals. And boom, we did it.

Speaker 2:

Now we're here I'm sorry I made it so long.

Speaker 1:

Nah, you good man. Like I said earlier, you body the bio. I thoroughly enjoy when my guests put some time into their bio. Think about it, Mac, thank you for being here. I appreciate you and, without further ado, how did you get started in content creation?

Speaker 2:

My origin story. One day I was walking through an alley alley and me and my parents was hand in hand and this mugger came out of nowhere, pointing at my mom and said you better make this child do content creation or I'm gonna kill you. And you know she got scared and you know my dad already ran away to go get some milk never came back.

Speaker 2:

But the real story is I've always wanted to be an entertainer. I feel like in the back of my head and I was already I started doing content creation on my youtube. I was just recording at the time, wasn't really posting it. After a while I was like I can probably do more with this and then I started to learn about streaming and like Twitch and stuff and I wasn't. I think at the time there was a Facebook, had a thing and I can't remember the name right now. I was like I might join that too, but at that time they were like yeah, we're going to pay black people to be on our platform. I'm like that's a cop out, but I didn success from that. You know, even with other creators that I saw that like. The one that comes to mind was like the Rad Brad.

Speaker 2:

He was just recording YouTube videos and posting them on there and he was one of the people that I used to watch when I was younger because he would play whole games and at the time time, you know, we were broke, so I couldn't afford games. I was too busy, you know, having peanut butter and syrup sandwiches because we couldn't afford jelly. So what? How am I going to buy a game you?

Speaker 2:

know, so I just decided to to keep going with that back in 21, 22 and yeah, that how. That's basically how I just started and I found it entertaining and I met great people while doing it and I have fun with it. You know, I don't see it as a I don't see it as a job and people say don't turn your hobbies. You know, don't make your hobbies like a job, I'm like. But I enjoy doing what I do, even though it's frustrating every single day.

Speaker 1:

You know what? I've never asked anybody this question, but I think you would be the man to give it a good answer. We all I think most of us content creators we definitely jump into it because it's enjoyable, we like it, we have fun. What, personally, keeps you going? What keeps you pushing?

Speaker 2:

Hmm, I'd say my community, my and the people around me. I know that sounds like a basic answer, but honestly, that's usually what keeps me going.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Because there is at least one person at the top of my mind that comes to my streams every day.

Speaker 2:

that's not a streamer, they're just a straight viewer and they want to see me stream, yeah, and they share things with me and they're always supporting me, even when they're me stream, yeah, and they've. You know they shared things with me and you know they're always supporting me, even when they're at work, right, and it's just like one of those types of people and other content creators that you know enjoy my stuff. They'll be like you know, like, hey, mac, there's an opportunity to do something here, you should do it. I'd be like, yeah, you know, that looks good. I'm like, yeah, that looks good, I might look into it. But those types of people after a while are people that I have met from doing what I've been doing, and I just enjoy entertaining people Because, you know, it's just one of those things that if I wasn't doing content creation, I would be so I wouldn't even say bored, but it's like I got all this entertainment inside.

Speaker 2:

I can't do standup. I can't do. I mean, I'm not a clown, I'm not, you know, a globetrotter. I'm not. I ain't got no nothing really good in my body that I could do except to stream and play video games and make people laugh. Do it with doing what I love doing already.

Speaker 1:

Oh, yeah, yo, no, that I, like you said it sounded like a basic answer, but honestly that's it Like, if you don't have a good circle of people around you, at least like into what you're doing and like pushing you forward and like, like you said, hey, I saw this opportunity, I thought of you, let's see, like that, 100% for me, keeps me pushing forward. There's other stuff, like personal reasons, but for the biggest one is definitely the people that I have around me. Just basically tell me to keep pushing, and that's huge. All right, well, cool, let's go ahead and just perfect segue to slide into our second topic of the evening Current mindset, mindset which is always one of my actually, I'm not gonna say that they're all my favorite topics but current mindset Mac, how are you feeling about your current output as far as your content goes, and do you have any vision of where you want to see yourself, let's say, like three to six months from now?

Speaker 2:

I will always say that I feel like I could do better because I can. I don't think that I'm putting myself or half of myself in a position to keep to make the the content that I want to see. I'm doing better now, recently, but I feel like we always, we all will hit that second wind where it's just like damn, I'm trying to do everything and now I'm trying to do everything, yeah, um. So I'm trying not to think of it as being busy, because good busy is great busy, in my opinion because, I'm doing something that I want to do.

Speaker 2:

I'm doing something that I probably wouldn't have had the opportunity to do a couple of years back. And, yeah, I I think what was the second part of your question?

Speaker 1:

um, three to six months when you see your content at three to six months.

Speaker 2:

okay, so I had, maybe a week ago, two weeks ago, I wrote down. I was in a slump a slump mentally, with content creation. As much as I love it sometimes, you're going to have your downtime and I said, okay, I'm going to write down five goals that I want to achieve by the end of the year.

Speaker 2:

Okay, I don't remember them because I wrote it on my phone, but I remember, I know one of them was to celebrate a thousand followers on Twitch. I haven't gotten there yet, but I'm going to get there by the end of the year and I want to celebrate that with my viewers and find something weird and crazy to do. I want to get back into uploading YouTube videos, which I started last week and being consistent and doing that every week for the next year, rest of the year, um, and you know other goals like that, and I'm I'm putting my, my, my best foot forward and putting the foundation to achieve all those goals. Because you know, I think it's okay to to have a big goal, but if you just see the big goal, you'll never. I think it's okay to have a big goal, but if you just see the big goal, you'll never reach it because you haven't started doing the small things, which is why I made the whole quote in the beginning, because you know, if you're not starting, you're not going to get there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's the things I could think of right now.

Speaker 1:

That's dope. I would say a lot of, not to bring this whatever. A lot of content creators don't have goals, they don't know what they want to do with their platform and I think, like you said, that second wind, that part of the content creation journey, where you're like all right, I've been streaming for a year or two, I want to try to switch lanes, or I want to try to expand my brand or expand my footprint, and jumping into youtube is perfect for that, but if you don't have a goal, you'll be going in there, just all right. So now what I do is this like twitch no it's not.

Speaker 1:

So I applaud you for sitting down in a moment of slumpness, like because I don't like. And when I'm slumping creatively, I I'm just like, well, I'm not doing shit for a week, fuck it Versus. All right, I can make a goal. I can like put down what I would like to do, what I would be doing if I was in the right mindset. So that's just dope. I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, every every slump that I've had in, you know, for the last couple of years.

Speaker 2:

I could say I've constantly had a slump, and it's not just from content you have real life things to deal with as well, right, and I don't think that people people who are just viewers don't really see your private life unless you're influencing. You share everything about your life, but as a content creator or streamer or whatever, they only see the stuff that you put out. You know, I've always seen people be like yo, why'd you, why you ain't put out to do this, the latest video, like bro, we trying to get our lives together. We're trying to put the content. We might make the content so it look good to you.

Speaker 2:

This stuff don't take two days, you know, a day or whatever, and I always suggest and I've always been an advocate for mental health breaks and it's okay to take that time for yourself, away from streaming for a day a week, whatever how long it takes, but the people really, you know, vibe with you. They'll still be there. And as many mental health breaks that I've had, or you know how many streams I've missed, there's always somebody in my chat or whatever.

Speaker 1:

Whatever I come back to end up doing and I'm always appreciative of that so yeah that I'm always personally shocked when I come back from a little week to week, maybe a month break, and there are people like hey, you're back, and then we're starting to chit chat like you do in the street. I'm like, oh shit, I shit, I got friends. It's crazy.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

All right, mac. The next topic that I want to jump into is one that is unique when you sit down and think about it. We all jump into this content creation blindly for the most part. What lessons have you learned because you started making content?

Speaker 2:

I think my biggest lesson is don't be afraid to talk to other content creators. I think that we get into it and find everybody to be competition or we're just trying to. You know competition, we're just trying to be better than everybody else, and the thing that we need to be doing especially, in my opinion, black creators. We're not. We're. There's so many black creators and I love to. Whenever I'm in a different person's chat you know on twitch and I'm talking to somebody, and then I see another person that I've met, I'm like oh so you know this person too like it's such a big, wide community in the black you know streamer community right I.

Speaker 2:

I think that I lost my topic because I went in my brain and I forgot everything else about this, so you was leaning into reaching out to other content creators, right?

Speaker 2:

reaching out to content creators and that that part is important because and my job at the time I was doing retail really helped me to to try to talk to other people, because I already had my friends that I still have today with me, with the whole content creation is still with me and I needed to branch out to more, more people and that part has always helped me to excel in my own content. Um, of course, I like my solo content.

Speaker 2:

I like playing solo games. But the part of streaming or making content has always been the interactions that I have with other people that are either like-minded or have a different opinion, or however they do. However they play games than I do, right, but I'm always the the chaotic catalyst when it comes to the networking part with with everybody, because, you know, I I think one of my favorite parts of that networking is that whenever I'm not streaming and I'm in someone else's chat, or channel and playing games with them and people like yo is that the mac of all games out here yeah, I'm like yeah, nick, you know.

Speaker 1:

So I was like yeah, you know.

Speaker 2:

So I I'd be like, okay, okay, okay, you know, and it's, and that's, that's, that's, that's what I think we should stop being afraid to do. Some people have social anxiety. I get that because that's how I am, and it's so hard to talk to people that you don't know, and then you'd be like, man, I really love this person's content. I really think that I want to play games with them and it would have to be on some. Okay, this person's up, I really think that I should. I want to play games with them and it'll have to be on some. Okay, this person's up here with five million followers and I want to, you know, play games.

Speaker 2:

It might just be, you know, I just want to play games with that person, but if you don't say nothing, you ain't going to. You know, you're not gonna get that chance. Like, I think there was a charity to play a game with uh, the the streamer, pokemane, and that was up to, you know, at least uh, six digits. It was a for a charity to be able to play with them. You ain't got to pay no money to play with me. You can still donate, exactly, yeah.

Speaker 2:

You can hit me up so so it was for charity, far as I know. I mean, I don't know how much, you know she pocketed but, you know I ain't gonna say nothing, but um, that's a lot of money for for to play a game with a streamer yeah but yeah, networking has always been the thing that I've I've always tried to to push because it has helped me in so many ways.

Speaker 2:

A lot of you know, when I first started and I was feeling down like with my content, you know people back then were always like man, you know they will come to me and they'll say man, your content is amazing and I would really like to play games with you and we play games with each other. And many people I have met with just making content with other people and it's just, it just keeps going and I still do that today.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, I 100 agree with that. Networking for me, my entire life has been a challenge because I never want to talk to anybody and I said this earlier, said this previous podcast. This podcast has forced me to talk to people because if I don't talk to anybody I ain't gonna have any guests and I am damn sure not about to do this thing by myself. That'd be crazy. So, yes, like and I was I want to say this if you hear my voice and you see me and you see me stream and there was any part of you, especially content creators, you know what I'm mostly talking to, only content creators right now, because some of y'all fans are crazy. But if you make content and you see I'm playing apex and you play apex and you have a dope ass idea or you just want to play the game with me, just hit me up like.

Speaker 1:

I am the most nicest down-to-earth person because I know how hard it is to like reach out to somebody and if I don't have time I'm gonna let you know. But it's never about you, it's always about my schedule. Schedule was about a. If the girls are good, is my wife good? Is everything taking care of the house outside of that dinner. I bet let's start making content and pushing this forward. So reach out to me, I'm down to play. Whatever it suffers. Scary shit. I don't really fucking scary shit. But on that topic, doing streams with other people, I'm gonna shout out chicks and giggles. Yes, doing streams with other people. I'm going to shout out Chicks and Giggles because when she puts on a production and gets a bunch of streamers in there and we're all congregating and having fun, those shits are the best.

Speaker 2:

I love them shits yeah, crew, we had this, we had this conversation before. You'll say Chicks and Giggles and then I'll say Crew and me and Crew, we were having this conversation. And I was'll say Chicks and Giggles and then I'll say Crew and me and Crew, we were having this conversation. I was like damn, I got to be professional. People don't know that we know each other. I'm supposed to call you Chicks and Giggles, right? And she said well, I'm going to call you Mackleball.

Speaker 1:

Games.

Speaker 2:

I'm like no, you don't have to, Just call me Mack.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So you know, yeah, that shit's funny.

Speaker 2:

Shout out to the crew for those events. You know the Wiz Gamma of course as well, there's definitely a lot of other people you know. I'll say shout out to Big Fresh too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Big Fresh, you know.

Speaker 2:

Fresh would be trying to get him back in the saddle. So there's plenty, uh, folks that I know personally that have set up such a thing and, again, like I said earlier, those, those are the type of people that motivate me to do more in my own content, because I'm like and it's not even like well, they got like 600 people watching them because they did this no it's like this is so fun to watch or to do or to be a part of, and it's something that I would like to do as well.

Speaker 2:

So most of this time that I've ever created anything, I've done a few events myself. I'm always like man. I'm inspired by this what Cruel or Gamma or Fresh or anybody else has done, so I would like to do something similar.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

There's so much inspiration from other content creators that you can, that you can get, and all I say is just, you know, don't be doing this stuff for verbatim. You know it's like well, these people got like, they got a, they got a whole thing going on here, so I'm going to name my thing, the exact same thing and be like. Well, this is brand new.

Speaker 2:

You know, I've had, I had a little incident with that myself, but I'm going to keep it on a hush okay, I'm gonna talk to you about that after the podcast, because what it was weird. I was like damn okay, verbatim.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's all right though yeah, it is uh interesting when you see another content creator okay, twofold, like you say verbatim when you see that shit, that feels disgusting. I was like what are you doing? But when you see somebody flip your idea or like see something that you did and kind of like grew past that or made something better, not even better, different, that shit, I like that shit, like I'm cool with that. Just if you name your podcast uploaded and filtered, I'll be pissed, though. So don't do that.

Speaker 2:

No, that'll be, that'll be that'll be my next podcast, for sure, right? I would like that's.

Speaker 1:

You want to know man like can you change it to something else please? What event? Now that you mentioned it, I want the people to know, and for my own nourishment which events have you put on the past and how did it feel to do so?

Speaker 2:

so when knockout city used to be a thing, I did Knockout City tournaments. That's true, I remember that and those were good, but they really tested our friendships.

Speaker 1:

Oh damn.

Speaker 2:

Because you know nobody wants to lose. That's a very competitive game.

Speaker 1:

Yes, it is.

Speaker 2:

It's like, well, you know this is happening and that happened and you know you're trying to play in the tournament that you, you, you, you you're a part of. You're trying to make sure everything is fair. Yeah, that's, that's difficult, but that was, um, that was something I did. I did hollywood squares version of uh with streamers. Okay, that was hard to accomplish um because nobody in the square knew how to play the game properly, so so when we did it, yeah they were like we don't know the point was that you're supposed to fake your?

Speaker 2:

answer and when you faked your answer, you had the competitors. You know. They were supposed to guess whether or not you were right. And I was like, and I said you know everybody, videos like this is how this is how it's supposed to work whatever, and everybody was just saying um, that's funny?

Speaker 1:

I was. No, that's not what you're supposed to do so so.

Speaker 2:

so chicks and giggles got all my money because y'all didn't know how to do it. Right, but it's not your fault, it's my fault. So I just, you know they gave me some critique afterwards about you know how it should have been more relevant to the, the, the most the modern times, because a lot of my questions about older stuff I'm like damn, I'm old, um, so that's all. I that's all I remember that's all I could get from that. I was like damn like this stuff is in the 90s. How old can?

Speaker 2:

you how young do you have to be like to not see that? But it's whatever my most recent event that I could think of, because I did. I probably did a little bit. Something else was my black history trivia hell yeah, where the the premise was. You know. Obviously you answer specific questions and the team was a team based and the people who lost would lose their black card. But the other team was lenient enough and was like all right, let them answer this one question yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And if they get it right, they can keep their black cards. That's crazy, so they got it right, so everybody won in the end.

Speaker 1:

Yo, that's wild, bro, Like ain't no way.

Speaker 2:

Hey, it was some really black questions, I'm not going to lie, I mean.

Speaker 1:

Is there a part of this sir?

Speaker 2:

Probably deleted and gone. Oh, delete it and go.

Speaker 1:

Oh, because of twitch yeah I don't that guy.

Speaker 2:

I haven't really, I haven't saved anything for a minute, but my goal is to at least try to do those every black history month.

Speaker 1:

Hell yeah I like that. I don't like the uh, the consequences. I'll be in the sidelines watching like yo. Y'all got it. I got the encyclopedia right here. That is fire. I again putting on a show for a platform like twitch. You got so many things to worry about, yet the people who are involved, because everybody has their own personalities. Luckily, I felt like every event I've been on, as far as with crew and gamma go, like everybody he's been on the same page and we try to show up on time and work out the kinks as they come through, because some things you won't know until it's in live, in practice, like, oh this shit takes 10 minutes to pop.

Speaker 2:

We should probably not do this yeah, that's exactly what happens, but it's a learning experience and it helps you be better. Be better in the end also. I thought about it, remembered also DJ versus everyone, he did versions of the mole and I for the life of me and I, I don't remember, I don't remember he did.

Speaker 2:

I think he's doing another season sometime later this year but the first one, I was the mole, so I had to fake out everybody. And then crew had a thing that happened as well and I was also the the I don't remember what it was called yeah but everybody wants it to be me and I hate being it. I'm like bro, why I keep choosing me like I'm, it's hard to fake being the person that's.

Speaker 2:

You know, that's the the odd man out yes but it's easy because everyone thinks I'm the odd man out, so I'm like nah, you know, it's always me, I could fight it.

Speaker 1:

That's how I fight it, like nah you know, it's always me, I could fight it that's how I fight it.

Speaker 2:

I'd be like it's always me, you're always blaming me.

Speaker 1:

And then you know some people like maybe he's not right, I can't like, yeah, keep thinking that now, keep thinking that so yeah, shout outs to those, those folks who you know that it helps.

Speaker 2:

Uh, inspire me to do the better with my own content oh yeah, that that is dope.

Speaker 1:

I think it was either the Circle or something else that Crew did.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was one of those. I think it was the Circle, but it was something else I can't remember. I could have won that one but god damn Was it Queen.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, she was like give me the money.

Speaker 2:

All of it it was between three people. I was up there almost had it money in hand, snatched it like ran off.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that was good times uh, shout out to everybody who creates awesome live content outside of just gaming. That shit is a challenge I've been trying to. I haven't had an idea to do something. I'm not gonna say it now because I don't want anybody to take well, fuck it. No, fuck that. Not saying it because I yell, but I'm gonna like hearing everybody do their thing and like being in the mindset I am now. I'm gonna start putting some pieces together and start see what we can do. All right off of that, I'm gonna jump on to the next topic, because I could talk about this all day. Uh, words of advice back. If some new person or somebody's been doing it for a while, I was like yo, I've been streaming or I want to stream. What type of advice would you give me before I move forward with my next step?

Speaker 2:

I felt like I feel like I've said everything during this whole podcast that I would have said, but I think the basic one is just to start for one. But in order to keep going, you can't think about the money as much as a lot of people, because I've seen people just be like man, I want to get so much money from, from streaming and like there's just so much more effort you got to put in to get to that state and it's it's, I would say 85 hard work and 50 luck.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, because you could keep putting out content and it'd be amazing content. There's a bunch of amazing people who have made content that I've seen and I'm like, why are you not famous, right, but that 15% luck is basically how you're going to get. If somebody is going to keep observing your stuff and share it and make it viral or, uh, some big company, be like, you know, I like your, I like your, your pep in your step, young man or whatever. And then you know, be a sponsor or some stuff for you like that but it's.

Speaker 2:

It always comes back to just starting networking, taking health breaks, and do it because you love it. Yeah, I think if you don't do it, if you're doing it again for the money, you're not going to enjoy it as much as you should, because you're going to fail a lot more than you succeed. Yes, yeah, I think that's basically it, because I've failed a lot. I mean it may not feel like failures to other people because you know whatever, but there are some days, some streams or you know whatever, that I'm like. I'm looking at it, I'm like man, I really fucked up today time I've learned my lesson.

Speaker 2:

Yes, so, yeah, don't, don't let well, don't let the money blind you from the fact that, like you know, content creation is just like any other job when it comes to entertaining people, because you gotta win the hearts and souls and minds of so many different people, so many different cultures, so many different genders and so many different mindsets, and I always say that there are. Well, when I last checked, like two years ago, there was seven billion people on this planet and some change. My goal is never to try to entertain seven people, seven billion people. I'm only trying to entertain the, the people who look at my content think it's funny and I always say, maybe jokingly sometimes, maybe serious. Sometimes people be like mac, you are so hilarious, I think you're so funny, I'm like I'm not funny. And if you're like but you are, I'm like, but I'm not like I. I look at my stuff sometimes I'm just like man.

Speaker 1:

That don't make sense why did I say that and then there's other times I'm like damn, that mouth right there.

Speaker 2:

It's hilarious and then that's, then I just it, just you just have those days. So, yeah, like I said, but one of the biggest things I will say is definitely take mental health breaks for yourself and for other people, because nobody wants to to be with a streamer who's going through something and they're putting it on their you know, their, uh, whatever their life like. It's really, it's really easy to see what you were going through something and they're putting it on their you know, their uh, whatever their live like. It's really it's really easy to see what you were going through, unless that's something that you want to share.

Speaker 2:

But people don't understand how important a mental health break is. When you make content, when you have people that are watching you every day, or how much you stream because you need a break. You got a life outside of this whole thing too, and when it becomes your life, then you can. You can maybe, you know, ease off of the mental, but it's always important and you know you see people like kai and speed and they're making content all the time and their content is is so explosive. Yeah, because it's always bigger than the next one and as a smaller stream, you're looking at it and like, damn, of course there's money involved.

Speaker 1:

Exactly.

Speaker 2:

But at the same time, you have to be in a state of mind where you enjoy doing all that for people, and then you got controversies. That comes around with it. I'm like you. Yeah, I want to be like like b-list, c-list level yes, famous, not exactly high enough for something happens.

Speaker 2:

They're like, well, mac of all games is a butt because he did, he let this person on his team. He should have knew about it. Or you know, back in 2000, you know 15, when he called that person the hard r and you know we're not gonna, we're not gonna talk about exactly like you know, get out of my dms from 2000. You know my twitter from 2015 and that's why I made sure that with my twitter page I ain't got nothing yeah, criminate, I feel you for that reason exactly so.

Speaker 1:

Even the littlest things will get you caught up. You're like I don't even remember. All right, you're right, I did say that when I was fucking eight. My bad, yeah, people can't people can't grow.

Speaker 2:

I mean we're tough on people when it comes to that and I get it, you know. But people can grow and I think what the one thing? And there's nothing to account to create, but you know, I think the one thing and there's nothing new about the creator. But I think the one thing people need to understand again is people can grow from what they thought previously. But a majority of the time we're in that moment where people around us it's always our environment, people around us doing wild stuff saying wild stuff and we just want to be a part of the group by doing those wild stuff.

Speaker 2:

You know it's. It's the same thing. I won't even say I'm not gonna say that, no, I can say it.

Speaker 2:

I guess it's similar to what I say like gang initiation you gotta murder somebody to get to this basically, or whatever people just be saying stuff to be with their friends because it's funny to them at the time doesn't have to necessarily be funny now. You know it's like you're, like you're, you're 15. You know, 14 years old, you were shouting the hard art on in people's mic when you were playing call of duty at the time and then now you're like you know, 30, 20, whatever like in your upper 20s, and now you're just like man. Why are you shouting the hard art at me?

Speaker 2:

mind your business leave me alone, let me play that game now your, your knees are creak, you're creaking and stuff you gotta. You got that uh pitting sound. When you get out of the bed, like now, you feel it is, but before you didn't know so yeah yeah, that's my advice I went all over the place, but that was perfect.

Speaker 1:

No, it's a little bit for everybody. I just would backpack and attach this on and you know, you named it a few times. But I think once we look at failures as an opportunity to learn a lesson, and pivot, I think it makes failing I don't want to say better, no, it does make it better, it makes it less daunting. You're not like, oh, I fucking suck, I don't know what I'm doing. You're like, no, what did I fuck up? Okay, I can change that. I don't want to say I'm chasing failure, but like I just started doing shit. I just put up a tiktok like a two, three hours ago. I would have never posted it, but I showed my wife she thought it was funny and I was like fuck, it posted the thing and I'm just gonna let it go. I'll check it tomorrow and see what happens, right. So take those failures and just learn shit from them. It'll make you way more successful in life, I promise you right agreed all right, mac, let's, let's do it.

Speaker 1:

We're doing the part that nobody likes to do. But okay, shout outs. Where do you want the people to check out your content?

Speaker 2:

I am lucky enough to not be one of those people with double o's, x's and all types of yeah when you search the mac of all games in google, I pop up all, all my socials. So I I made sure to try to even get all of those things from all sort of weird type of websites like reddit you know, so I'm the back of games on reddit like you know I wanted to make sure, like I wanted to make sure, that that name couldn't be stolen like this.

Speaker 2:

Of course it's like jack of all yeah, I'm like who the hell is that? Who the hell is this guy? You know so um, but you know, back of all games on all socials, from youtube, twitter, facebook. I don't even use facebook, but hey gotta get that name right, you know youtube.

Speaker 2:

There's a, there's there's probably two youtube channels with back of all games because I messed up, but you know those are, it was. It's the same way with my uh there's another thing I did with like on my, on my, uh, my playstation yeah I was going to change my name from pirate joker to mac of all games, but I made mac of all games first, before I tried to change it so that is, there is a mac of all games.

Speaker 2:

That is me. I just can't be using it because I ain't got no games on it, but I own it. So, uh, yeah, so I always, you know, from time to time I might check up on my myself on the google yeah you know, I want to have my own wikipedia page.

Speaker 2:

It'd be like one sentence, but I want something up there in a picture. But, yeah, mac, of all games on all socials, my twitch and my youtube are the the things that's popping right now in terms of content. Yeah, my tiktok. You know, I post all my shorts.

Speaker 2:

I post my shorts on tiktok, instagram and youtube yes and I normally try to talk to the people on twitter and instagram, but mostly twitter is when I say, hey, I'm streaming. Or on my Instagram stories I'll say, hey, I'm streaming because I got tired of posting stuff on my, on my the posts on Instagram, to say, hey, I'm streaming. I'm like I'm going to be doing this every day. I'm not about to cloud my content with hey.

Speaker 1:

I'm streaming Like no, that's not yeah Right. So, yeah, that's, that's where I'm at, I'm at, I'm the one and only the one and only Mac of all games. Check out his content and, like I said, do a Google search. You'll find him. With that being said, I always do this. You know what to do. If you haven't already subscribe to the podcast, upload it in Unfiltered. We're everywhere, all of your podcasts Catchers of choice. Other than that.

Speaker 2:

Mac mac, thank you for having this conversation with me. It was a lot of fun. I knew it would be, but thank you for providing me with all that wealth of information and I can't wait to do this again.

Speaker 1:

Same. I appreciate the the discord message dms. God damn direct messaging. I don't remember the word.

Speaker 2:

Like you know, thank you for the direct message. You know I've heard, you know, play a podcast. Before I was. I was like you know that's, that's, that's gonna be fun, and I know how stressful it is to do podcasting or interviews like I stopped doing my own so and that's how I.

Speaker 2:

The short story, long um, is that that's how I got into in networking okay shout outs to fall pal, fall pal paladin, who gave me my first interview, and when I finished after that interview I was like this is easy to talk to people, right, you know, and they help, and that helped me again with talking other people networking and all that other stuff.

Speaker 2:

So shout outs to the people that give you know, uh, creators a chance to talk. Uh, you know, with, with your podcast and many others who are out here interviewing creators. Um, you know, because we're out there and you know some people just need a little bit of a chance to to say what they want to say and feel comfortable doing it, so I appreciate the comfort yeah, no problem at all.

Speaker 1:

I'm glad I can uh facilitate that because, uh, like you said, it's important that we do it. I and I always use as an example. I'm in a discord group chat call with a few different creators and we're constantly having conversations about everything, but mostly about content creation. And I was like yo, we need to put this on a discord or in a podcast because other people can hear this Even if they're not interacting with the conversation. They hear a little tidbit. They're like oh, I never thought of that, I didn't know you could do that. So I think for that value in itself is important. So I will continue to do it as long as my computer doesn't blow up or anything I don't know. I don't see any sign of it stopping. So we I don't see any sign and stopping, so we'll see.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, we don't gatekeep around here.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. Information is wealth for a lot of people, so I'm here to share as much as I can Right. Other than that, I'm going to go ahead and sign off. Appreciate y'all, listening as always, protect your mental, keep creating content, and I will talk to y'all in the next one. Peace.